Weekend at Mitch's: Pill Mills & Puppet Politicians

This one starts with Dr. Domi getting fully roasted by two teenagers for not promoting the podcast enough, which somehow turns into a whole bit about "Emma Grede-ing it" and a shameless plug for her book (again, no shame). Then the doctors get into the real tea: a Bay Area psychiatrist just got sentenced for prescribing almost 400,000 stimulant pills without seeing patients, and they break down how a pandemic era telehealth loophole turned into a full blown pill mill scandal, plus the ADHD patients who got caught in the mess afterward. From there they open an unofficial medical investigation into Mitch McConnell's three week hospitalization and spiral into a much bigger question: when is it actually time for someone (a politician, a doctor, anyone) to step aside? Dr. JJ gets real about her own dad's retirement and how illness ended up making that decision for him. They also talk about Dr. Domi's new Substack, The Pitt's Emmy nominations and Hollywood's habit of sidelining the diverse casts it built its name on, Spielberg's new alien movie Disclosure Day, and whether "same old, same old" is really a bad thing or just comfort in disguise. Obviously it ends with a very serious pitch for a Weekend at Bernie's style remake called Weekend at Mitch's.

Disclaimer: Dr. JJ and Dr. Domi are doctors, but not your doctors — please consult your own physician for medical advice.

Dr. Domi's Book Link: The Script Rx: An Insider's Guide to Surviving & Staying Fabulous in Medical School

• Timestamps
  • 0:00 — Intro & welcome to No Other Skills MD
  • 0:59 — Getting "read for filth" by teenagers
  • 2:51 — What does "Emma Grede it" mean?
  • 3:27 — Shameless plug: The Script Rx book
  • 6:02 — The Ryan Haight Act and the tele-psychiatry boom
  • 7:51 — Dr. David Brody's stimulant pill mill scandal
  • 8:41 — Done Global, Cerebral, and the ADHD pipeline
  • 11:32 — "It's capitalism, right?" Why nobody has fresh ideas
  • 12:15 — Is Mitch McConnell even alive?
  • 13:47 — When should people actually retire?
  • 16:20 — Lindsey Graham's sudden death
  • 21:18 — Why Dr. Domi left her previous job
  • 22:29 — Retirement hobby idea: mosaics
  • 23:26 — Flirting with starting a Substack
  • 24:54 — The Pitt's diversity problem
  • 25:10 — Emmy nominations snub controversy
  • 27:57 — Now watching: Widow's Bay
  • 29:22 — Remembering Liam Neeson
  • 31:11 — Jaws 3D nightmares at age nine
  • 33:39 — Do aliens actually exist?
  • 34:57 — The Walking Dead's take on human nature
  • 38:23 — Pitching "Weekend at Mitch's"
  • 38:37 — Outro & sign-off

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to No Other Skills MD, where I, Dr. JJ, a psychiatrist in desperate need of a mental break. And I, Dr. Domi, a pediatric anesthesiologist with a dusty degree in fashion design. Explore the intersections of medicine, personal growth, pop culture, and surviving a dictatorship.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

From dissecting the absurdities in healthcare, navigating midlife transformations, and delving into the latest newsworthy topics.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Join us as we share candid conversations and learn more because we have no other skills, MD.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

And just remember, although we are both doctors, we are not your doctors. So please seek out your own physicians for actual medical advice. Hi, Dr. JJ, how are we doing? Hi, Dr. Tell me, we are here. That is a statement. Okay. Well, let me tell you how I know we're here and I know I'm old, is because in the last couple of days I have had two teenagers read me for filth, as young people say. So I was telling them this is Read Me for Filth? Read Me for Filth, that's basically um young people talk for reading, for you know, telling me that I need to get my act together, I suspect. Yeah. Oh my god, I've learning a new phrase already. Keep going. I just remember our last topic was us not wanting children. And I was like, oh, oh my gosh. I was like, maybe this is the reason why I don't want teenagers telling me about myself. So I'm not sure. I've been exposed. Teens obviously don't like to be referred to as children, as you know, but these teens were telling me, or I was telling them, that I have a podcast, but I don't like to promote it on social media. The look of disgust one of them says, What are you doing? What do you mean? That's kind of the point. And it was so judgmental. I felt my 14-year-old self back in the day like roll up in a ball from the judgment, the judgment from teenagers, because they're right, they're right as evidence that I did, in fact, post on social media today. Uh, you know, that kind of uh Netflix documentary trend on social media. So I love the trend are honking at me that I need to get my my act together in the background. So I was forced to do a social media post. I promise my audience, the loyal audience, that I will try to get it together and that we need to do some self-promotion. So Dr. JJ and I will do our best. And also, my friend, their mom, was telling me, who's pretty good on social media, that I need to use every opportunity that I have to promote myself and whatever you want to promote on social media. She's like, You have to Emma Greed it. And I was like, What does that mean? That woman, you know, Emma Greed. We've talked about her before. Oh, yes. Yeah. Successful podcaster, but she has these multi-million dollar companies like Skims, you know, with Kim Kardashian and uh a gene company. The name escapes me. Oh, it's very American. And my friend was saying she promotes her book. Every moment of every day, she'll be like, Oh, there's a bug on the ground. Once there was a bug on the ground, and I promoted my book. My book is called XY. So uh, when you catch us on YouTube, you'll notice that I'm putting my book up, the script RX, an insider's guide describing and staying fabulous in medical school. I will also put the link on kind of the show notes. So I need to do a little self-promotion. But another great thing is that this teenager actually read my book because my friend had my book. Amazing. It was great for teens that might be thinking about medicine in general. So the book was kind of geared towards medical students and pre-med students, but even down to the teens. And I don't know, maybe I'll make a second edition. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Oh, that's a great idea.

unknown 3:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

I think learning earlier about what medicine is like, particularly through the your lens, I think would be very beneficial to the teens out there. Um, first off, I'm glad he survived that interaction.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

I again judge by teenagers feels harsh. I don't know. Harsher than adults.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

And the language that they use now, you do have to like kind of have a translator because you they might be like low-key uh side-eyeing you. I can't even speak like them. I'm really trying. Did you see how hard that was? My brain really was trying to.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

You gotta catch us on YouTube because I'm pretty sure they're the bead of sweat. Oh god. I was like Gen Z lingo per se. Yeah. We're probably still millennializing the lingo as well, but it is what it is.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

It is. But I want to just give you a shout out because yes, we both of us are very not into promoting ourselves via social media, but I loved your real and I just love the Netflix docuseries trend. It is hilarious because I have uh watched all of the number one docuseries on Netflix. Anytime there's some real true crime, some woman behaving badly, I will deep dive into it and have nightmares all night, wake up and remind myself that I wasn't the one who did that. So wait a minute. Exactly. It's just around the corner.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

And so let's move on to spilling the clinical tea. What's been happening in the medical world?

SPEAKER_01 5:30

Oh, I want to say a big victory for all the my fellow psychiatrists out there, all the people who prescribe medications to those who self-diagnose themselves with ADHD. So, as you know, um there uh as a pandemic happened, there was a within the psychiatry world, a real shift from in-person to telepsychiatry or telehealth, where all of a sudden we were seeing people mostly through the modality of video um visits. And there was a law called the Ryan Haight Act that was maybe from the early 2000s when unfortunately a uh man was prescribed Vicodin via like a teleplatform at that time and ended up dying. And so then there was this law put into place that said that a physician or a licensed clinician can't prescribe controlled substances unless they're seen in person annually, something along those lines. But all of a sudden you couldn't come in. So we you know, there's a quick pivot to being able to provide these controlled substances via these platforms. But as is apt to happen when all of a sudden there's a new lowering of a threshold for true good clinical care. There were some rogue clinicians out there who created all these like cowboy medicine telecyte practices who ended up being pill mills for stimulants. I mean, I want to be on Adderall all the time. I imagine you do too. I mean, everyone I never thought about it. Hey, you should think about it. Um, I mean, it will make any of it'll probably help us get on social media if we do a little 10 extended release in the morning. Doctors on Ritalin. Yeah, mixed amphetamine salts, I'm sure we would be on every platform.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

But the Ritalin, I'll get the Vicadin, we'll have some kind of Ooh, yeah, that'll be a partee.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

Okay, maybe don't listen to that, guys. This is not medical advice. No, no medical advice here. It's for your own recreational use. But nonetheless, as a psychiatrist during that time, all of a sudden we were getting these influx of requests for ADHD evaluations or self-like, you know, self-diagnosing. It's actually a very complex diagnosis. So, oddly enough, there was a psychiatrist here in the Bay Area, I think. Maybe Stanford trained even. Um, his name is Dr. David Brody. It's in the news. There was a recent article about it. But he and his C co-CEO um were just sentenced to prison for what they yeah. Oh, I think for him, at least maybe two-ish years, I'd have to look exactly, but um also like find a million dollars. But this psychiatrist signed prescriptions in total of like almost 400,000 pills of stimulants without seeing patients. Like essentially, I think was quoted in a recent New York Times article saying something like stimulants are like candy, and we're the Santa Claus that give it out. Essentially, I would have patients who would tell me they have ADHD, I'd be like, you don't have ADHD, then go to these other online platforms and basically get pills sent to their home. So there, one of them was called Dunn Global, another one is cerebral, and cerebral actually still exists, but they're no longer allowed to prescribe controlled substances or stimulants. And a lot of true ADHD patients have suffered because, on top of all of this, like CVS and major pharmacy companies, they essentially got dinged by the DEA. So now they then had extra scrutiny on top of it. And for so during the pandemic, while everybody is just sort of reeling, then all of a sudden there was a supply chain issue because the federal government started decreasing the manufacturing of stimulants, and then all of a sudden you have ADHD patients who've been stable, all of a sudden having to like pharmacy shop to try to get their pills. It was chaos. So I just want to say to all those people who took advantage of that experience in that time, I was waiting for justice to come. And so today's medical tea is hot, bubbling, and perfectly brewed, because uh justice has been served, and um I just want to say But it's only for one doctor.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

There were several, and I'm sure nurse practitioners or PAs um did this. Doctor shopping is never a good idea.

SPEAKER_01 10:00

If you're you know second opinions are okay, even third opinions are okay, but when you're doctor shopping just to get a medication, but I mean, I just want to say the scrutiny in which people were one diagnosed with ADHD and then just given stimulants, like without any real consideration of their true psychiatric pathology, including people with bipolar psychosis or like actual meth or stimulant addiction, they were just giving it away and essentially set up a subscription, subscription service for stimulant medications that are actually like I know there's sort of like a casualness around it, but like I've seen people have cardiac events and people become psychotic on these meds. And so it's just I don't know, this it's like it felt like a small victory. Yes, the CEOs were the ones who were really primarily admonished, but I also like that you know Cerebral can't prescribe stimulants now, and they made a ton of money for a short period of time and then it came back and bit them in the butt. So I just want to keep in mind there's no easy way, and people sometimes don't have ADHD, and people need to learn that they don't and deal with it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

I mean, that might feel like you don't have ADHD, you just have some other issues going on.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

It might just be your stress, yeah. Or it's like your circumstances and environment. So it's so fascinating. But this was good tea that I want to say. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Well, I think if we're really getting to the presenting problem, it's just people doing what they've always done. Uh it's capitalism, right? The point is money. Yeah, nobody has any fresh ideas on how to address issues, and we go back to the same old, same old. And I don't know. Sometimes I I think that we need fresh ideas, we need fresh people, and and people just go back to the same things that have worked in the past. And when should you be done? Maybe if you're at the point where all you can think of to make money is to send out 500,000 pills, maybe it's time for you to retire. Maybe you need a second career, maybe you need to move on. Uh, talking about people who probably need to move on, what about Mitch McConnell? Oh, yeah, he's been keeping up. Isn't he wrong or something? I'm not sure. 84, I want to say. 84. And he's been hospitalized for three weeks. And let me tell you something in medicine. When an 84-year-old was hospitalized for three weeks, there's a good chance that they're not coming out of the hospitalization. And I don't care what kind of picture you put on the internet showing that they're fine, right? Which I'm I'm kind of believing might be a doctored photo, but that's just my that proof of life photo was bizarre. It was a bizarre proof of life photo, but also uh one, I don't believe it, but two, maybe this is time for you to step aside. Let's not have the same old, same old people with the same old ideas working until their deathbed. It's okay to step aside. I'm sure there are people with the general same beliefs that are younger than you that can get a job done without a three-week hospitalization. Yes, illness happens to all of us, you can't predict it, et cetera, et cetera. But it's predictable. He's had press conferences where he cannot stand in the middle of them, and someone has to usher him on and usher him off. And we've all worked with Dr. JJ, I'm sure you've worked with other physicians, as have I. That you know, yes, you can have a 75-year-old, eight-year-old really on top of their game in medicine, but then you have the ones that aren't. And I was like, you have got to go. It is time to step aside. And that doesn't really happen. It's very rare that things like that are forced. Yeah. When should we when should people move on? Is my question. Just agree. When do we move on? Fresh people, fresh ideas, fresh careers.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

I mean, that that's it's the challenge. I think. I mean, here we are again. I want to blame uh capitalistic society where you gotta let you're squeezing everything out till retirement, and then you're being given this promise. So I don't know. And and and it because of our work culture, I think the identities as Americans that we have is related to our career quite a bit, which just like people latch on to. But yeah, I agree. I mean, I haven't had too much extreme with some of my, you know, close to retirement colleagues that I've experienced. But what I do find is like both of us want to be retired right now, immediately. We don't we have so much more employment ahead of us, but like it's very weird to interact with people close to retirement because they are the opposite. They like they want to hold on and like and clench on, like you mentioned, to sort of the way that they did it. And so even as maybe they kind of reduce or step aside, there is this like I've I've seen the pattern where they kind of are kind of grasping and holding up, like you said, the progress. And I don't know if it's related to identity or uh just sort of whatever internal things that may drive.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

Because sometimes it is financial. This is the United States, everything is very expensive, and so it could be that you make a great living, or even if you don't, because how many times will you go to, I don't know, a Walmart or something like that, and you see someone who's 90 working there, and you're like, are they doing it just because they want something to do and to keep active have to do it? And that's where it feels, you know, a little odd. So making the assumption that they don't financially have to do these things, what is it that because there are lots of activities you could do other than work?

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Yeah. I it's like we are doing this activity, is other than work, though. It's it's very challenging and let alone like like grasping on, but it's also sometimes like like the slowing down part. I mean, Mitch McConnell, great example. I mean, this has been going on for like years, like this event that happened is not surprising that he's missing for three weeks, but I mean, also recent death that came suddenly over the weekend, Lindsay Graham. Whatever we want to think about him. I mean, he was sort of young, he was only 71, but I think he had some karma coming at him.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

But technically, if we're talking about retirement age, he's over retirement age. He's over retirement age, you know, he didn't show any signs, I would, to my knowledge, of slowing down that you saw publicly. But someone like Mitch McConnell, who has on multiple occasions, what are we doing? And yeah, how come as um not just a society, but your work friends, your work group is not the one ushering? I don't think he's hurting for money. You know, one thing I'll I'll say is Republicans find a way to get some money. Republican politicians, they don't stop, they'll be fine. Yeah, so I don't think that was the age of his wife, is a very wealthy woman as well. And so what's it gonna take to get people out of this because you know kind of hold us back? Just like there, you could be too young for a job, you could also be too old for a job.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

If I take a step back in thought and felt good for Mitch McConnell, I wonder if he's being pushed to stay in these positions because there's a like like a house of cards that he is sort of you know balancing, and it's probably a bit of ego, but maybe like people whispering in his ears. Like, you have to wonder what his cognitive status is, if he's now just like a puppet for other people. I wonder if there is an element here that's at play where you know, I again I know where the chips may fall if he were to meet his maker right now, and now we've had a recent other demise of a senator, like how that swings the Senate also like because it's like let's weekend at Bernie's with Mitch McConnell here.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

I forgot about that movie that we gotta watch. It's a weekend that with Mitch. I used to love that movie. I've seen it multiple times.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

How morbid is that? Isn't that weird, but it's a great movie. I need to revisit. I like a good chuckle. Oh yeah, yes, that's a good one. I I can't believe that. Yeah, you're right. Like, it's is it is he even doing this of his free own free will at this point? Because I mean, dude, if I'm I don't know. No, I'd be done like already, like 15 years ago, Mitch. Like, go home, hang out, go fishing. What what are we talking? Like, I don't know. Man cannot stand without assistance.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

He is not fishing, and it's weird daising his daises where he's just sort of like and he cannot answer questions. No, it is what it is, but three weeks it is time to pass the gavel or whatever on to someone else. But no, what did they pass in the Senate? But you know, there's a time and a place for everything, but I think also doctors, and I'm sure senators and things like that do have such an identity with what they do to who they are, and you can't let go. Guys, uh, it's lovely to be a doctor, but I can let it go if I need to. I mean it all depends on the finances. Yeah, as you know, it's uh it's a stressful job, but I'm also of the idea that hopefully I have other skills. I don't know if I've demonstrated them yet. That's the name of the podcast. No other skills. Trying to figure them out. I want to be holding on and not enjoy retirement. That's also my my big thing for people. You work so hard in your life, and I just don't want to hear that you never made it to retirement, right? Or you're so overworked, or you only retired for like two years. I want people to be able to relax. You've worked for so long. Totally to only have two years of retirement, three years of retirement, or never make it to retirement to me is is a sad state. You know, people who love their jobs and are still good at them and can still take in new ideas, and those are probably the exception and not the rule. But in general, I think we need, you know, some freshness happening.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

I'll remember in one of my previous jobs getting the email of the physician who died over the weekend, like and reading those while you're in your clinical setting and being like, oh my God, he did or they did all of this, and now they never kind of I'm sure they enjoyed some of the clinical work and obviously all the stuff that comes with the privilege of being a physician, but at the same time to never reap those rewards. And I personally, you know, in my own family, like my father had uh retired, but only when his health kind of pushed him in a direction to retire, and then just the limitations from his own like physical issues prior to retirement impacted his quality of life, obviously, until he passed away. But it was really sobering for me, and I think part of like why I even left my previous job is that that reality is the case. Like, you don't know what the future is gonna be like. Maybe there'll be some amazing medical intervention or tech like that'll prevent me from having something similar to what happened to him. But I did see that impact, and um, and he liked his job. He didn't hate it like sometimes I do. Totally. He's a little different in that respect.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

But he enjoyed his job.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

He kind of enjoyed it. I mean, he definitely liked the lunch aspect of his job, but unfortunately, our work culture is so pervasive here that we work, we maybe don't develop these other parts of us, and then we're on the cusp of being done with this kind of structured. world and and I don't know your identity gets poked at and so people get some hobbies I don't know I it's not like I can say I have hobbies so I'm also guilty but it's this is this is our truth and this is if you guys keep on listening maybe this could be a paid job yes and and listeners who are out there we know you're there we love you let us know your hobbies what do you think we should start trying to do I might myself I'm just gonna say this is a real aside I might try to start doing some mosaics I don't know that feels like it can carry me into retirement in the future are you an artiste?

SPEAKER_00 22:37

Absolutely not oh so this will truly just be a hobby I was just like I need something else to do besides scrolling you know that's for me at this point it's just this right the podcast I have my book I did my shameless plug at the beginning but even just speaking with these teenager after I picked up my self-esteem from the floor I said well maybe I'll do a second edition of the book that might speak a little more to a younger demographic because it's not the first time that a teen picked up my book and enjoyed it. So the book wasn't for a teen it was purchased for someone else and they picked it up and said that they liked it.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

So that might be my second thing or I I like the idea of writing a little bit I've been you know flirting with the idea of a Substack and Substack is do you know what Substack is are you I believe so is it different from Slack sorry see this is me I get me out of here I'm too old for this conversation see I basically I think it's just like blogging.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

So I just created an account I have not done anything yet but essentially it's blogging I think that's it but yeah I think it's oh I get that cute name and a new platform I like Substack can I subscribe I will when you're ready. Yes so I am flirting with the idea I am dating the idea of a Substack I have not done that yet gotcha and other sides of talking about same old same old earlier a few episodes ago or several episodes ago we were talking about the pit because we were doing reviews and things like that. And something I remember we brought up or rather I brought up is that there are certain shows that when they're first coming on they seem very inclusive. They have people of all different backgrounds and maybe faiths in the show and they show such a diverse show to really get people in but then when it's time for and the show has some success but when it's time to kind of elevate only certain people from those shows are elevated. So it's not an uncommon theme and that seems to have happened with the Pit. So the Pit was seen as a very diverse cast and wow they have you know this black person they had this one of an Indian descent they have this and that and you know maybe LGTP it's very diverse but once it comes time to the Emmy nominations and everybody's doing these great jobs and has an you know speaking roles like real speaking roles and real storylines it's like only the white people. So it's a little bit glaring in these last because I think there were five Emmy nominees there is one um nominee of color she played Dr.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Al Hashimi I don't remember uh her actual name I believe she's of Persian descent who is uh you know best supporting actor but the fact that the other four or five are white when they have such a diverse cast where people have actual storylines as there are special roles that people have done well with is it the same old same old is that the formula because it has it has been a successful formula in the past on the diverse show but the only ones who make it into the stratosphere of fame of recognition of awards are all the white people so is it the same old same old I don't know what do you think about that well I haven't this is related to season two right which I haven't watched I think it happened in season one as well but I didn't want to make a judgment per se. But now we see the pattern crap pattern it's not unusual in Hollywood though. It's not unusual and it's fascinating I mean we might have to break this down even in terms of sort of work culture for what it's like to actually not be a white clinician or a male clinician or you know physician in our work worlds. And I mean the parallels associated with that with this nominee process is fascinating actually it's disappointing to professor who gets you know the promotions who's doing all the work who listens to you exactly who gets listened to it is not unlike the real world here yeah I was gonna say a little bit of that leap isn't too far because this is disappo this is so disappointing to hear but also not surprising sadly I mean and I haven't seen season two yet so I'm gonna start soon so we could do some weekly breakdowns of the pit again but I um you know I gotta buckle up and get ready for it because it is intense but that is really upsetting to hear that it's like same old same old thing is Hollywood's like if it's not broke don't fix fix it. Yeah same could be said for Mitch McConnell right his job done they're just gonna prop him up on the little you know the little Sesame Street character with a hand up his mouth he'll be like you oughta be there Mitch yep I mean I mean this is kind of like in general like the quote unquote nostalgia effect right of some of our media and like all the remakes and redo's we are by the way thanks to you Dr Domi watching Widows Bay we're not quite done yet but I will say it's so fresh and lovely and hilarious original and original it's been such a nice summer to yes like a summer watch but have you have I feel like we've been watching a couple of movies here and there.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

So something that we saw was Disclosure Day the Steven Spielberg the latest Steven Spielberg film so tell me about that because I also saw a Steven Spielberg movie from back in the day Jaws on TV.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

Ah excellent which I may have seen as a child I just have no recollection of it so tell me about Disclosure Day we'll talk about Jaws and find out if it's the same old same old are we disrespecting a slight spoiler alert I mean not too not too much information but Disclosure day is about the revelation that aliens really do exist and the evidence is shared to the mass public as the world is on the cusp of World War III. So it's kind of got it's like adventure there's a lot of action there's a lot of car chases and train sequences and I let me just take a step back. I love Steven Spielberg you know I love I love Jaws I love Jurassic Park oh rest in peace I was so sad to read that this that's a tragic loss tragic loss he's like everybody's professor dad anyway so like Indiana Jones independent of all the racist tropes from some of these movies um I just have to erase it because I love the movie so much you have to do you just have to flow with it and just pretend racism doesn't exist. And I mean and like all the other movies that he's made he's made a ton very serious and you know some war type stuff. Anyway nonetheless I was really excited to get into Disclosure day because of like sort of the nostalgia ET, right? It's about aliens and all I've like I kept on doing this during the movie what this I was kind of like I think at even one point I was like come on Spielberg because it was it felt recycled it felt old it felt nostalgic I felt like if you're like 50 and over you're gonna love this movie. And I feel like there was even homage to ET's dad in the movie. It just felt like there was a disconnect between our true world now and what Steven Spiels world is like because he's like the bajillionaire or whatever he is but like there was just something missing and I was like okay this was done because it's Steven Spielberg but it felt flat for me um without like kind of getting too into it. But but just to go back I want to hear more about Jaws because I will say every summer I watch Jaws to open up the summer. It's it's like you've got to watch it at like June time to get prepped.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

That must be the reason why it's on Peacock I think and I I don't remember this original movie. I remember specifically and I think I was nine years old when Jaws 3 came out because my older cousin took my brother and I uh to Jaws 3 and 3D and I'm sure we begged her and then I think my mother was very mad because she's like she's gonna get nightmares and I said I'm not gonna get nightmares and guess who got nightmares? Me. I think I stopped watching Jaws. Um but it was well done because they hadn't really had a movie like that. If you're thinking about the timeframe of when it came out I'm sure in the late 70s or something or early 80s and just the soundtrack the way the camera moves how townspeople well it also shows that people don't really change you know capitalism we have to get the beaches open we have to do what we have to do sure a a girl died sure a boy went missing but oh my god gotta open and so you know same old same old but it felt fresh even though I was watching this old movie I was putting myself in the time frame of when it happened but even today it still felt like a fresh movie yeah if that makes sense even though I watched it today it still still felt fresh I did enjoy all of it and you know outside of a couple sleepy parts uh it felt fresh so I I wonder if he's just I'm not saying that uh Spielberg is lazy or anything but you're just resting on what was worked before and not realizing that we've seen certain things before so you can't keep recycling the same ideas. Nope. Because it sounds like disclosure day didn't feel fresh.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

It didn't in the way that watching Jaws every summer does though it's so crazy there is something about that movie that yeah there's it's all it's kind of all over the place I mean it the wrenching scene with the mother on the beach like being like you don't care you you killed myself you know she gets to the the story of the navy ship and getting eaten by I mean it's just so good um and a lot of great action. But it was it was so novel and it was so human in a way that disclosure day just felt like some of the adventurous stuff was cool but then there was something just felt flat in the end that I mean I'll just say it I I think there are aliens out there and I think a lot of people have been thinking about this for a long time and it's not like and I'm sorry as much as aliens might bring us all together that's really sad. I think like a part of it is this kind of mismarked message of the only thing that can really bring humanity together at this like sad state of life is no if they're alien or not I'm tending towards probably yes the chances are where the only living beings in the universe are nil, right?

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Just basically right and human beings have been through some things yeah and we have not come together as a species very well throughout anything in history and just aliens being the one that pulls us together the chances are zero that they know I don't know it's a fascinating what if and people are going to do exactly what they've been doing always. Right. People like to say oh if I were in the times of I don't know slavery or this or that I would be doing X, Y, and Z. And I think there's a comedian says you would be doing exactly what you're doing now which is nothing. Yeah. You know you're not gonna be different people are not going to be different and maybe a unique way to make that happen during you know one reason have you ever watched The Walking Dead? We've talked about this right I did I watched the first couple of seasons and I had what I liked about it is that there wasn't this false sense that oh there are all these zombies coming at us and we're all gonna band together no humans are gonna human and so it was fresh because you still despite this you know crazy world people are still gonna be people so I think that might have been what was good on disclosure day that you're putting something on people that just wouldn't happen.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

It wouldn't happen like not fresh way yeah I agree with you I the never ending battle between good and evil I don't think we need an external thing to make us less evil. I think that there is that sort of part of humans who are always gonna be have that aspect and maybe that's human nature and oh my god this is now a philosophy talk podcast but I will say I'm like you know I want to revisit Jaws again I don't we didn't need disclosure day sorry Steven Spielberg and all the fans out there.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Okay well if Steven has a problem with it he can come on our podcast and tell us I want to talk to you reach out reach out and also I think there's a reason why you talk about same old same old same fresh ideas but then I find myself going back to the same movies just like you watch Jaws every year. I still go back to shows I know the ending I know what happens but I keep going back because somehow it feels fresh the way that people it's it's odd that I want fresh ideas I want fresh something but if law and order's on guess who sat I already know who did it I already know what happened. Why am I watching Golden Girls episode for the 84th time why is this Sex in the city episode I know what happens with Big and Natasha on this episode. I can recite it verbatim. Right. But then I love Widow's Bay which is totally fresh. So there's it's almost like there's no middle ground with me. You're either super fresh you're either like a mom donnie or you're you're like Mitch McConnell and there's like no room in the middle for me you know well hopefully not Mitch McConnell I like my oldie you know and there's fresh and you know if you're not I don't know I know it's so you have to be super fresh or yeah it's it's a tough one I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

I mean I and there's so much um kind of exceptions to the rules right a seven this 75 year old is not the same as that 75 year old this sort of remake is not the same as that remake and so it is sort of challenging but I do think unfortunately our world does seem to lean on what has been shown to work versus maybe what could work. And maybe that is also for me when I think about some of the new stuff happening and I'm leery about it is because I am sort of grasping on to kind of the the pre-digital world in a way to ground me.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

Let us know yeah what do you think do we need fresh things same old same old work is Mitch McConnell alive?

SPEAKER_01 38:11

Is he alive? Please tell us I know please let us know I mean if you know let us know we won't we won't you know tell too many people but I think we should definitely have a remake called weekend at Mitch's so there we go.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

I I definitely should see if that movie's on streaming yeah I gotta watch it Bernie that's our recommendation that and Jaws for the weekend yes so thanks again for joining us here at No Other SkillsMD Podcast we hope you got something out of listening to your friendly neighborhood doctors.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

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SPEAKER_02 38:59

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